Teens want baby to land a property, says councillor

Jenny Hannaby

Jenny Hannaby

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TEENAGE girls are getting pregnant to land a council house, according to a county councillor.

Wantage county councillor Jenny Hannaby said more needed to be done to address the problem at a meeting of the health overview and scrutiny committee.

According to the latest full year figures, the number of girls aged 18 and under getting pregnant fell slightly across the county.

In 2009, 26 per 1,000 girls fell pregnant, and 22 per 1,000 in 2010. This is broken down to 302 teenage conceptions in 2009 and 251 in 2010.

But according to figures for the first quarter of 2011, the rate is rising with data showing 27 per 1,000 girls conceiving.

NHS Oxfordshire, the county health authority, said full data for 2011 was not yet available.

Ms Hannaby, who is also a Vale of White Horse district and town councillor, said: “There are some people that get pregnant because they feel they can get a council house.

“That has got to be addressed in the districts.”

When Jericho and Osney councillor Susanna Pressel said it was a myth, Ms Hannaby said: “You come around my town and count how many there are.

“I’m talking as a district councillor and I know exactly what’s happening in my area.”

Local authority housing is decided on a banding system.

Priority can be given to people in certain situations, including homeless single parents and those expecting a child.

But Vale of White Horse District Council said there was no priority for women, whether young or not, who become pregnant.

Spokesman Gavin Walton added: “Applicants are assessed on their current living arrangements in line with our housing allocations policy.

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“If a pregnant lady approaches us for assistance because she is homeless or threatened with homelessness we would work hard to help prevent her from becoming homeless.”

Oxford City has the highest rate of teen conceptions, with 33.6 per 1,000 girls falling pregnant.

It is followed by Cherwell with 25.1 and South Oxfordshire with 24.3 per 1,000.

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7:50pm Fri 13 Jul 12

kelbun says...

And they've only just realized this?
And they've only just realized this? kelbun
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8:06pm Fri 13 Jul 12

Ross J says...

Everyone else has known this has been going on for the last ten years. Have more babies, get a bigger house.

As far as they are concerned it's a lifestyle choice, that's the most worrying thing.
Everyone else has known this has been going on for the last ten years. Have more babies, get a bigger house. As far as they are concerned it's a lifestyle choice, that's the most worrying thing. Ross J
  • Score: 13

8:30pm Fri 13 Jul 12

yardie says...

Why do these people become councillor's, when they don't know what is happening in the world around them?
Why do these people become councillor's, when they don't know what is happening in the world around them? yardie
  • Score: 6

8:48pm Fri 13 Jul 12

snert says...

Wow, this is hardly new. I've known it's been happening since I was at secondary school and that's nearly 30 years ago.

How is it that councillors can be so out of touch?
Wow, this is hardly new. I've known it's been happening since I was at secondary school and that's nearly 30 years ago. How is it that councillors can be so out of touch? snert
  • Score: 15

9:37pm Fri 13 Jul 12

GTS kiddy says...

Talk about old news!
Talk about old news! GTS kiddy
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10:13pm Fri 13 Jul 12

Unitedwestand81 says...

Then don't give them to ppl unless they're over 21 and can pay their own rent. Plenty of ppl like myself and my family have to pay all my wages on private rent and struggle to live. Make them stay with their own parents until they can pay their way, that'll soon cut the number down....
Then don't give them to ppl unless they're over 21 and can pay their own rent. Plenty of ppl like myself and my family have to pay all my wages on private rent and struggle to live. Make them stay with their own parents until they can pay their way, that'll soon cut the number down.... Unitedwestand81
  • Score: 12

10:15pm Fri 13 Jul 12

nicole0134 says...

Seriously - does this woman have nothing better to do than have her picture taken for the Herald on an almost weekly basis and making banal comments? Maybe she should concentrate her efforts on improving on the disasterous planning approvements that have been made in recent years. And continue to be made.
Seriously - does this woman have nothing better to do than have her picture taken for the Herald on an almost weekly basis and making banal comments? Maybe she should concentrate her efforts on improving on the disasterous planning approvements that have been made in recent years. And continue to be made. nicole0134
  • Score: -1

9:07am Sat 14 Jul 12

Lord Palmerstone says...

The state provides an incentive for young women to become pregnant when they cannot support themselves and no one is surprised that many accept the offer. Is that what the state thinks is good? Maybe our lords and masters in the strange foreign country which is London never see the results; sad and inadequate young women tied for years to child care, a role for which neither intellect or maturity has equipped them: and horrific numbers of sad young children whose lives are going to be horrible. I could scream . Welfarism is the sickest and most cynical thing that corrupt politicians have ever done to buy votes with other people's money.
The state provides an incentive for young women to become pregnant when they cannot support themselves and no one is surprised that many accept the offer. Is that what the state thinks is good? Maybe our lords and masters in the strange foreign country which is London never see the results; sad and inadequate young women tied for years to child care, a role for which neither intellect or maturity has equipped them: and horrific numbers of sad young children whose lives are going to be horrible. I could scream . Welfarism is the sickest and most cynical thing that corrupt politicians have ever done to buy votes with other people's money. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 7

9:45am Sat 14 Jul 12

steve1955 says...

What a right bunch some councillors and people who comment on her words are , not all young girls deliberatly get pregnant to get accomodation and benefits does this councillor want a FINAL SOLUTION for the problem before she comments further she sholud apologise to the majority of young women who either dont milk the system or end im sure there are many females at the universities in Oxford who are not claiming benefits and getting pregnant but there are many councillors using their positions to dictate what others should do >the world we live in is a mix of all types of people we dont need those with more than others dictating how we all shall live i thought the wars were fought to create a free world but it seems I was wrong
What a right bunch some councillors and people who comment on her words are , not all young girls deliberatly get pregnant to get accomodation and benefits does this councillor want a FINAL SOLUTION for the problem before she comments further she sholud apologise to the majority of young women who either dont milk the system or end im sure there are many females at the universities in Oxford who are not claiming benefits and getting pregnant but there are many councillors using their positions to dictate what others should do >the world we live in is a mix of all types of people we dont need those with more than others dictating how we all shall live i thought the wars were fought to create a free world but it seems I was wrong steve1955
  • Score: -4

11:00am Sat 14 Jul 12

winger whitley says...

Good old Jenny, ever the opportunist. See a bandwagon and climb aboard. When a emailed her about an £80,000 sports field that has been open best part of five years (in Mably Way) and only used on 4 occasions. I asked a legitimate question about why and who authorised it - she never answered. Typical politician I say and perhaps she should keep her snout out of the newspapers and just get on with things. Oh, and do the honorable thing and answer a genuine question about a serious waste of council's (our) money.
Good old Jenny, ever the opportunist. See a bandwagon and climb aboard. When a emailed her about an £80,000 sports field that has been open best part of five years (in Mably Way) and only used on 4 occasions. I asked a legitimate question about why and who authorised it - she never answered. Typical politician I say and perhaps she should keep her snout out of the newspapers and just get on with things. Oh, and do the honorable thing and answer a genuine question about a serious waste of council's (our) money. winger whitley
  • Score: 2

11:40am Sat 14 Jul 12

Andrew:Oxford says...

winger whitley wrote:
Good old Jenny, ever the opportunist. See a bandwagon and climb aboard. When a emailed her about an £80,000 sports field that has been open best part of five years (in Mably Way) and only used on 4 occasions. I asked a legitimate question about why and who authorised it - she never answered. Typical politician I say and perhaps she should keep her snout out of the newspapers and just get on with things. Oh, and do the honorable thing and answer a genuine question about a serious waste of council's (our) money.
It's a shame she didn't reply with the message:-

"If you can email, you've clearly got access to the internet. Why not Google the query, the information is all published on the relevant official websites."

It took me all of a moment to find the answer to your quesions. Why not do the honorable thing and find the answers for yourself without wasting the councils (your fellow residents) money? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]winger whitley[/bold] wrote: Good old Jenny, ever the opportunist. See a bandwagon and climb aboard. When a emailed her about an £80,000 sports field that has been open best part of five years (in Mably Way) and only used on 4 occasions. I asked a legitimate question about why and who authorised it - she never answered. Typical politician I say and perhaps she should keep her snout out of the newspapers and just get on with things. Oh, and do the honorable thing and answer a genuine question about a serious waste of council's (our) money.[/p][/quote]It's a shame she didn't reply with the message:- "If you can email, you've clearly got access to the internet. Why not Google the query, the information is all published on the relevant official websites." It took me all of a moment to find the answer to your quesions. Why not do the honorable thing and find the answers for yourself without wasting the councils (your fellow residents) money? ;-) Andrew:Oxford
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11:54am Sat 14 Jul 12

winger whitley says...

Andrew of Oxford an apologist for our shameful leaders. You don't think these people deserve to be put on the spot then? I suggest you crawl back into the woodwork from whence you came please!
Andrew of Oxford an apologist for our shameful leaders. You don't think these people deserve to be put on the spot then? I suggest you crawl back into the woodwork from whence you came please! winger whitley
  • Score: 2

5:30pm Sat 14 Jul 12

jacoxford says...

My daughter had a baby at 17. Ten years later she still has not got a council house. She has more chance of winning the lottery. I am guessing its because she went back to work after 3 months and I have not lied and said she is homeless when she is not.
My daughter had a baby at 17. Ten years later she still has not got a council house. She has more chance of winning the lottery. I am guessing its because she went back to work after 3 months and I have not lied and said she is homeless when she is not. jacoxford
  • Score: 3

7:04pm Sat 14 Jul 12

Andrew:Oxford says...

winger whitley wrote:
Andrew of Oxford an apologist for our shameful leaders. You don't think these people deserve to be put on the spot then? I suggest you crawl back into the woodwork from whence you came please!
No, just pointing out personal and fiscal wastefulness of asking a question you would appear to already have the answer to.

Clearly you personally had something else in mind for this particular piece of land and the current situation is causing you a great deal of distress.

Why not write to the councillor and suggest your alternative use? Perhaps social housing, perhaps a new supermarket for the town?

Perhaps even sell it to a developer for luxury housing?
[quote][p][bold]winger whitley[/bold] wrote: Andrew of Oxford an apologist for our shameful leaders. You don't think these people deserve to be put on the spot then? I suggest you crawl back into the woodwork from whence you came please![/p][/quote]No, just pointing out personal and fiscal wastefulness of asking a question you would appear to already have the answer to. Clearly you personally had something else in mind for this particular piece of land and the current situation is causing you a great deal of distress. Why not write to the councillor and suggest your alternative use? Perhaps social housing, perhaps a new supermarket for the town? Perhaps even sell it to a developer for luxury housing? Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 2

5:03pm Sun 15 Jul 12

Lord Palmerstone says...

steve1955 wrote:
What a right bunch some councillors and people who comment on her words are , not all young girls deliberatly get pregnant to get accomodation and benefits does this councillor want a FINAL SOLUTION for the problem before she comments further she sholud apologise to the majority of young women who either dont milk the system or end im sure there are many females at the universities in Oxford who are not claiming benefits and getting pregnant but there are many councillors using their positions to dictate what others should do >the world we live in is a mix of all types of people we dont need those with more than others dictating how we all shall live i thought the wars were fought to create a free world but it seems I was wrong
I guessed this would come. Aggressive welfarism is a necessary but not a sufficient reason for a young woman to have a child she is not yet equipped to care for. OK? If Cameron had the guts to say "the bandwagon stops in 40 weeks and 6 days" a great deal of misery would be avoided. Sadly he hasn't.Point of information: my father did not fight in the war so that I should pay taxes to support young women who reproduce with no interest in financial support for their child/ren. If you have read otherwise , it is false. I guarantee that.
[quote][p][bold]steve1955[/bold] wrote: What a right bunch some councillors and people who comment on her words are , not all young girls deliberatly get pregnant to get accomodation and benefits does this councillor want a FINAL SOLUTION for the problem before she comments further she sholud apologise to the majority of young women who either dont milk the system or end im sure there are many females at the universities in Oxford who are not claiming benefits and getting pregnant but there are many councillors using their positions to dictate what others should do >the world we live in is a mix of all types of people we dont need those with more than others dictating how we all shall live i thought the wars were fought to create a free world but it seems I was wrong[/p][/quote]I guessed this would come. Aggressive welfarism is a necessary but not a sufficient reason for a young woman to have a child she is not yet equipped to care for. OK? If Cameron had the guts to say "the bandwagon stops in 40 weeks and 6 days" a great deal of misery would be avoided. Sadly he hasn't.Point of information: my father did not fight in the war so that I should pay taxes to support young women who reproduce with no interest in financial support for their child/ren. If you have read otherwise , it is false. I guarantee that. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 3

7:05pm Sun 15 Jul 12

davyboy says...

i think that a council house should only be given to someone who can afford the rent without help. if these girls in question are fully employed paying their own way, then fair enough. maybe the councils should take a leaf out of the books of private landlords and say 'no DSS'!
i think that a council house should only be given to someone who can afford the rent without help. if these girls in question are fully employed paying their own way, then fair enough. maybe the councils should take a leaf out of the books of private landlords and say 'no DSS'! davyboy
  • Score: 3

8:42pm Sun 15 Jul 12

steve1955 says...

The last 2 comments must come from people who do no wrong are perfect and dont give a toss for others in this world there are many people some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help this is a mark of a decent society why must people be so judgemental of others i suspect they are the haves not the have nots
The last 2 comments must come from people who do no wrong are perfect and dont give a toss for others in this world there are many people some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help this is a mark of a decent society why must people be so judgemental of others i suspect they are the haves not the have nots steve1955
  • Score: 7

10:09pm Sun 15 Jul 12

Mazikan says...

"some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help"
and some who take the necessary steps to rectify their mistakes without having to rely on us taxpayers to pay for their careless and selfish mistakes.
"some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help" and some who take the necessary steps to rectify their mistakes without having to rely on us taxpayers to pay for their careless and selfish mistakes. Mazikan
  • Score: 1

11:25pm Sun 15 Jul 12

steve1955 says...

Mazikan
Not everone can take the neccessary steps we have high umemployment with a poor jobs market with have an ageing population working longer to survive we have a corrupt banking system getting billions from the taxpayer and you an others want to slag the peasants off which all this amounts to i am an atheist but i have a more christian attitude to others than most someone who is severly disabled is selfish by your thinking and sholdnt rely on taxpayers what do you want a workhouse for them and the single mothers you so despise the im alright jack attitude some take is beyond belief remember the saying there but for the grace of -----------------
Mazikan Not everone can take the neccessary steps we have high umemployment with a poor jobs market with have an ageing population working longer to survive we have a corrupt banking system getting billions from the taxpayer and you an others want to slag the peasants off which all this amounts to i am an atheist but i have a more christian attitude to others than most someone who is severly disabled is selfish by your thinking and sholdnt rely on taxpayers what do you want a workhouse for them and the single mothers you so despise the im alright jack attitude some take is beyond belief remember the saying there but for the grace of ----------------- steve1955
  • Score: 0

9:18am Mon 16 Jul 12

Lord Palmerstone says...

steve1955 wrote:
The last 2 comments must come from people who do no wrong are perfect and dont give a toss for others in this world there are many people some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help this is a mark of a decent society why must people be so judgemental of others i suspect they are the haves not the have nots
Steve, if you want to give money to charity, do it. Don't bleat on here.It is your lot who'd send me to prison for not paying for young women to have babies they knew they couldn't afford. So don't get high and mighty with us you self-righteous person.
[quote][p][bold]steve1955[/bold] wrote: The last 2 comments must come from people who do no wrong are perfect and dont give a toss for others in this world there are many people some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help this is a mark of a decent society why must people be so judgemental of others i suspect they are the haves not the have nots[/p][/quote]Steve, if you want to give money to charity, do it. Don't bleat on here.It is your lot who'd send me to prison for not paying for young women to have babies they knew they couldn't afford. So don't get high and mighty with us you self-righteous person. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 1

10:52am Mon 16 Jul 12

NinjaBiscuits says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
steve1955 wrote:
The last 2 comments must come from people who do no wrong are perfect and dont give a toss for others in this world there are many people some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help this is a mark of a decent society why must people be so judgemental of others i suspect they are the haves not the have nots
Steve, if you want to give money to charity, do it. Don't bleat on here.It is your lot who'd send me to prison for not paying for young women to have babies they knew they couldn't afford. So don't get high and mighty with us you self-righteous person.
Yes I'm sure they all CHOOSE to have a baby whilst they're so young. It's probably not at all an accident (yes even using the pill and/or protection it can still happen, so get off your high horse). What if they decided a termination wasn't for them? What if their lovely partner decided he didn't want anything to do with them? Yes, I'm sure these young women choose this life. And Steve is the self righteous one? Give me a break!
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steve1955[/bold] wrote: The last 2 comments must come from people who do no wrong are perfect and dont give a toss for others in this world there are many people some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help this is a mark of a decent society why must people be so judgemental of others i suspect they are the haves not the have nots[/p][/quote]Steve, if you want to give money to charity, do it. Don't bleat on here.It is your lot who'd send me to prison for not paying for young women to have babies they knew they couldn't afford. So don't get high and mighty with us you self-righteous person.[/p][/quote]Yes I'm sure they all CHOOSE to have a baby whilst they're so young. It's probably not at all an accident (yes even using the pill and/or protection it can still happen, so get off your high horse). What if they decided a termination wasn't for them? What if their lovely partner decided he didn't want anything to do with them? Yes, I'm sure these young women choose this life. And Steve is the self righteous one? Give me a break! NinjaBiscuits
  • Score: 0

11:04am Mon 16 Jul 12

steve1955 says...

ninja biscuits
thanks for the support im in no way self righteous i just know we dont live in a perfect world like some???????????????/
ninja biscuits thanks for the support im in no way self righteous i just know we dont live in a perfect world like some???????????????/ steve1955
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11:41am Mon 16 Jul 12

Lord Palmerstone says...

Everything you describe no doubt happens once in a blue moon and these lasses have no families or friends to help etc etc etc but why should everyone be forced to pitch in? It's about charity, isn't it, not about what tax should go for? You believe that saying I have to lose a great deal of my income to spend on what you think it should be spent on makes you "compassionate". Well it doesn't. It never has , however many exclamation marks you put after each word.
Everything you describe no doubt happens once in a blue moon and these lasses have no families or friends to help etc etc etc but why should everyone be forced to pitch in? It's about charity, isn't it, not about what tax should go for? You believe that saying I have to lose a great deal of my income to spend on what you think it should be spent on makes you "compassionate". Well it doesn't. It never has , however many exclamation marks you put after each word. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 2

11:51am Mon 16 Jul 12

Dilligaf2010 says...

Council houses should only be given to those in genuine need, that have paid into the coffers for some time.
They're not a right, they're a privilege.
Council houses should only be given to those in genuine need, that have paid into the coffers for some time. They're not a right, they're a privilege. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 3

1:46pm Mon 16 Jul 12

steve1955 says...

Diligaf
And you decide who is genuine and where do the others go there are systems in place to decide who needs what change the system
Diligaf And you decide who is genuine and where do the others go there are systems in place to decide who needs what change the system steve1955
  • Score: -1

2:35pm Mon 16 Jul 12

xjohnx says...

steve1955 wrote:
What a right bunch some councillors and people who comment on her words are , not all young girls deliberatly get pregnant to get accomodation and benefits does this councillor want a FINAL SOLUTION for the problem before she comments further she sholud apologise to the majority of young women who either dont milk the system or end im sure there are many females at the universities in Oxford who are not claiming benefits and getting pregnant but there are many councillors using their positions to dictate what others should do >the world we live in is a mix of all types of people we dont need those with more than others dictating how we all shall live i thought the wars were fought to create a free world but it seems I was wrong
What planet???
[quote][p][bold]steve1955[/bold] wrote: What a right bunch some councillors and people who comment on her words are , not all young girls deliberatly get pregnant to get accomodation and benefits does this councillor want a FINAL SOLUTION for the problem before she comments further she sholud apologise to the majority of young women who either dont milk the system or end im sure there are many females at the universities in Oxford who are not claiming benefits and getting pregnant but there are many councillors using their positions to dictate what others should do >the world we live in is a mix of all types of people we dont need those with more than others dictating how we all shall live i thought the wars were fought to create a free world but it seems I was wrong[/p][/quote]What planet??? xjohnx
  • Score: 0

9:01pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Arkright says...

Steve1955, where is your compassion in the two news articles I've just read regarding the railway lines .. your keyboard only knows how to spell NIMBY .. not very compassionate to those people are you ?
Steve1955, where is your compassion in the two news articles I've just read regarding the railway lines .. your keyboard only knows how to spell NIMBY .. not very compassionate to those people are you ? Arkright
  • Score: 1

9:59pm Mon 16 Jul 12

steve1955 says...

Arkright
To all the people who might object to the rail upgrade how do they get about in a car that pollutes or a train that disturbs someone during its journey maybe ab=n airplane that flies over someones home but hey they dont want any of this near them please tell me how they have a right to complain and oppose
Arkright To all the people who might object to the rail upgrade how do they get about in a car that pollutes or a train that disturbs someone during its journey maybe ab=n airplane that flies over someones home but hey they dont want any of this near them please tell me how they have a right to complain and oppose steve1955
  • Score: -1

10:11pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Arkright says...

Steve1955, we're talking about compassion not NIMBYism, but on that note .. I live in Ardley and am opposed to the incinerator although I create waste, does that make me a NIMBY ? or just a home owner, tax payer and employer who would prefer not to have the building built near my home ?
Steve1955, we're talking about compassion not NIMBYism, but on that note .. I live in Ardley and am opposed to the incinerator although I create waste, does that make me a NIMBY ? or just a home owner, tax payer and employer who would prefer not to have the building built near my home ? Arkright
  • Score: 0

12:28pm Tue 17 Jul 12

oafie says...

WHAT A SURPRISE!
And yes there are thousands of us in the Have Not group as we chose not to expect to live off the state. Try working and putting off children until you can afford them, or indeed even until you get a permanent partner not just the conception LOL many of us did, now trapped in poverty and squalid housing.
In fact the only way you seem to be able to get a home in this county is by having a baby and not working, and keep on producing them, as then it is the child's need for a home.
No one seems at all bothered by this; it has been going for on yeras now in Oxford. Well done to you all
WHAT A SURPRISE! And yes there are thousands of us in the Have Not group as we chose not to expect to live off the state. Try working and putting off children until you can afford them, or indeed even until you get a permanent partner not just the conception LOL many of us did, now trapped in poverty and squalid housing. In fact the only way you seem to be able to get a home in this county is by having a baby and not working, and keep on producing them, as then it is the child's need for a home. No one seems at all bothered by this; it has been going for on yeras now in Oxford. Well done to you all oafie
  • Score: 3

1:48pm Tue 17 Jul 12

HAH says...

"Well Well Well" This topic has certainly got peoples backs up,but this kind of thing has been happening for years its not new.could it be down to the lack of employment this so called babies for houses scam is happening and they just get board and jump into bed.Think again these youngster have got access to things we never dreamed of,a lot of them are ahead of there years and very intelligent (some are Not I hasten to add) we spend millions on illegal aliens in this country does charity not begin at home and before you judge me on my comments judge yourself I have worked since the day I left school and served my country I have 2 grand children on there way shortly and they could not be so different one child will have all provided by there mum and dad the other will be helped by his grand parents we will love them and care for them equally some of us who are placed in this situation do not have to sponge off the state.As a family we have always couped and always will.
"Well Well Well" This topic has certainly got peoples backs up,but this kind of thing has been happening for years its not new.could it be down to the lack of employment this so called babies for houses scam is happening and they just get board and jump into bed.Think again these youngster have got access to things we never dreamed of,a lot of them are ahead of there years and very intelligent (some are Not I hasten to add) we spend millions on illegal aliens in this country does charity not begin at home and before you judge me on my comments judge yourself I have worked since the day I left school and served my country I have 2 grand children on there way shortly and they could not be so different one child will have all provided by there mum and dad the other will be helped by his grand parents we will love them and care for them equally some of us who are placed in this situation do not have to sponge off the state.As a family we have always couped and always will. HAH
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2:59pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Lady Penelopee says...

There's a simple way to solve this; anyone who has a baby without the means to support themselves should be offered HOSTEL-style accommodation, with a room for them and the baby, then a shared lounge/kitchen area.

The hostels should be council/government run by some sort of care assistants/mentors, who then offer FREE childcare during the day so that they can either continue their education, pursue training, or get a job to save up enough money for their own accommodation.

(those not willing to study, work or train should be made to earn their keep in other ways)

Council houses should be prioritised for those earning minimum wage, who struggle to pay private rents.
There's a simple way to solve this; anyone who has a baby without the means to support themselves should be offered HOSTEL-style accommodation, with a room for them and the baby, then a shared lounge/kitchen area. The hostels should be council/government run by some sort of care assistants/mentors, who then offer FREE childcare during the day so that they can either continue their education, pursue training, or get a job to save up enough money for their own accommodation. (those not willing to study, work or train should be made to earn their keep in other ways) Council houses should be prioritised for those earning minimum wage, who struggle to pay private rents. Lady Penelopee
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4:30pm Tue 17 Jul 12

davyboy says...

steve1955 wrote:
The last 2 comments must come from people who do no wrong are perfect and dont give a toss for others in this world there are many people some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help this is a mark of a decent society why must people be so judgemental of others i suspect they are the haves not the have nots
i am not perfect, but i do pay my own way, without resorting to any help. all i am saying is that we shouldn't help people who have families without being able to support them
[quote][p][bold]steve1955[/bold] wrote: The last 2 comments must come from people who do no wrong are perfect and dont give a toss for others in this world there are many people some who have it all and some who make mistakes and have to rely on the state for help this is a mark of a decent society why must people be so judgemental of others i suspect they are the haves not the have nots[/p][/quote]i am not perfect, but i do pay my own way, without resorting to any help. all i am saying is that we shouldn't help people who have families without being able to support them davyboy
  • Score: 1

5:30pm Tue 17 Jul 12

NinjaBiscuits says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Everything you describe no doubt happens once in a blue moon and these lasses have no families or friends to help etc etc etc but why should everyone be forced to pitch in? It's about charity, isn't it, not about what tax should go for? You believe that saying I have to lose a great deal of my income to spend on what you think it should be spent on makes you "compassionate"
. Well it doesn't. It never has , however many exclamation marks you put after each word.
I think you'll find that this 2 to 3% of all teenage girls is in fact the very definition of "once in a blue moon".
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Everything you describe no doubt happens once in a blue moon and these lasses have no families or friends to help etc etc etc but why should everyone be forced to pitch in? It's about charity, isn't it, not about what tax should go for? You believe that saying I have to lose a great deal of my income to spend on what you think it should be spent on makes you "compassionate" . Well it doesn't. It never has , however many exclamation marks you put after each word.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that this 2 to 3% of all teenage girls is in fact the very definition of "once in a blue moon". NinjaBiscuits
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5:33pm Tue 17 Jul 12

NinjaBiscuits says...

NinjaBiscuits wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Everything you describe no doubt happens once in a blue moon and these lasses have no families or friends to help etc etc etc but why should everyone be forced to pitch in? It's about charity, isn't it, not about what tax should go for? You believe that saying I have to lose a great deal of my income to spend on what you think it should be spent on makes you "compassionate"

. Well it doesn't. It never has , however many exclamation marks you put after each word.
I think you'll find that this 2 to 3% of all teenage girls is in fact the very definition of "once in a blue moon".
To back this up, there is plenty of statistics to show that as much as up to 50% of all pregnancies in UK and America are unplanned, no matter the age.

e.g. http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/health/351540
0.stm
[quote][p][bold]NinjaBiscuits[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Everything you describe no doubt happens once in a blue moon and these lasses have no families or friends to help etc etc etc but why should everyone be forced to pitch in? It's about charity, isn't it, not about what tax should go for? You believe that saying I have to lose a great deal of my income to spend on what you think it should be spent on makes you "compassionate" . Well it doesn't. It never has , however many exclamation marks you put after each word.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that this 2 to 3% of all teenage girls is in fact the very definition of "once in a blue moon".[/p][/quote]To back this up, there is plenty of statistics to show that as much as up to 50% of all pregnancies in UK and America are unplanned, no matter the age. e.g. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/health/351540 0.stm NinjaBiscuits
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6:43pm Tue 17 Jul 12

BackontheMainland says...

I believe that everybody is entitled to a decent home. Those for whom home ownership is an impossible dream should be awarded higher points in their town/village of birth. It's possible to work and live in the same place all your life and still not be entitled to any reasonable abode, whilst others continually overtake you and are given priority for social housing. Until Oxford does something about the extortionate private rentals market we will all pay through the nose. Your taxes aren't going to these young Mothers, but to very rich landlords who increase their portfolio of properties with the profits. The majority of single parents do not get allocated a house but rent privately. The best they can hope to be given is a council flat, and there are thousands of them in Oxon trying to swop for a chance to have a house with a garden. This councillor is obviously out of touch with the reality of what she thinks is the situation, very worrying...
I believe that everybody is entitled to a decent home. Those for whom home ownership is an impossible dream should be awarded higher points in their town/village of birth. It's possible to work and live in the same place all your life and still not be entitled to any reasonable abode, whilst others continually overtake you and are given priority for social housing. Until Oxford does something about the extortionate private rentals market we will all pay through the nose. Your taxes aren't going to these young Mothers, but to very rich landlords who increase their portfolio of properties with the profits. The majority of single parents do not get allocated a house but rent privately. The best they can hope to be given is a council flat, and there are thousands of them in Oxon trying to swop for a chance to have a house with a garden. This councillor is obviously out of touch with the reality of what she thinks is the situation, very worrying... BackontheMainland
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7:37pm Tue 17 Jul 12

icecreamlady says...

To back this up, there is plenty of statistics to show that as much as up to 50% of all pregnancies in UK and America are unplanned, no matter the age.

e.g. http://news.bbc.co.u

k/1/hi/health/351540

0.stm

WOW statistics and damned statistics hey - this report dates from 2004 the most recent data set shows Oxfordshire has a teenage conception rate of 26.1 per 1000 (2009 figures) under 18 year olds which equates to approximately 175 births to teenage mothers a year compare that to the national figure which is about 42%. Then compare to Oxfordshires population of 63550 thats about 0.27%. In fact the majority of single parent families are those who are in that position due to divorce or bereavement who have to turn to social housing as there are not that many council houses left, they sold most of them.
To back this up, there is plenty of statistics to show that as much as up to 50% of all pregnancies in UK and America are unplanned, no matter the age. e.g. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/health/351540 0.stm WOW statistics and damned statistics hey - this report dates from 2004 the most recent data set shows Oxfordshire has a teenage conception rate of 26.1 per 1000 (2009 figures) under 18 year olds which equates to approximately 175 births to teenage mothers a year compare that to the national figure which is about 42%. Then compare to Oxfordshires population of 63550 thats about 0.27%. In fact the majority of single parent families are those who are in that position due to divorce or bereavement who have to turn to social housing as there are not that many council houses left, they sold most of them. icecreamlady
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9:59pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Major Rhode-Werks says...

I'm convinced that the majority of single mothers are NOT in that situation due to divorce or bereavement. I know of plenty of single mothers who are in that situation by choice - whether the pregnancy or pregnancies were deliberate or not doesn't change the situation. I also know several couples who are both working but cannot afford to buy or rent and do not want to start a family until they have somewhere to live and bring up those children. These are the people who should be at the front of the queue.
As for there being no council houses left as they have been sold; I really don't see how that has made much difference as the occupants would still be in them if they were renting so the houses would still be unavailable to people on the waiting list. Perhaps the explosion of immigration is the biggest contributor to the shortage of housing - a million fewer immigrant families here would surely mean a million more homes available for people already in the country - and before you all throw the accusation - I am not being racist, just stating the facts as I see them.
I'm convinced that the majority of single mothers are NOT in that situation due to divorce or bereavement. I know of plenty of single mothers who are in that situation by choice - whether the pregnancy or pregnancies were deliberate or not doesn't change the situation. I also know several couples who are both working but cannot afford to buy or rent and do not want to start a family until they have somewhere to live and bring up those children. These are the people who should be at the front of the queue. As for there being no council houses left as they have been sold; I really don't see how that has made much difference as the occupants would still be in them if they were renting so the houses would still be unavailable to people on the waiting list. Perhaps the explosion of immigration is the biggest contributor to the shortage of housing - a million fewer immigrant families here would surely mean a million more homes available for people already in the country - and before you all throw the accusation - I am not being racist, just stating the facts as I see them. Major Rhode-Werks
  • Score: 3

9:02am Wed 18 Jul 12

Buntcuster says...

Of course they do. How else are they supposed to get housed? Buy a house om minimal wages. maybe if the bankers and people in power were less greedy this country wouldn't be in the mess it was. And as for the immigration argument to can blame that on our membership of europe and you can always move abroad to get housed.
Of course they do. How else are they supposed to get housed? Buy a house om minimal wages. maybe if the bankers and people in power were less greedy this country wouldn't be in the mess it was. And as for the immigration argument to can blame that on our membership of europe and you can always move abroad to get housed. Buntcuster
  • Score: 0

8:08am Thu 19 Jul 12

the wizard says...

Surely the questions being asked should not be about council houses but as to why the girls got themselves pregnant in the first place.
Some teens I am sure do it as a deliberate act as they want to getaway from their parents, for reasons various.
However sex education has questions to answer and why we have a higher rate in this country than our European neighbours.
Perhaps had we not had such a gung-ho attitude to this in the past we wouldn't be facing as many problems in the future, but it seems to be the acceptable British way in parts of our society. When that changes, perhaps this lamentable situation will improve. I strongly believe that it all starts in the family home and the morality there that is taught to the younger members and the examples set by parents.
If gaining housing was made more difficult and the onus was thrown back to the family home to provide then I am sure things would improve. Also making the fathers of these children accountable would help, and if necessary deductions to any benefits being claimed by the fathers being passed on to the mothers for child care.
In France I believe the welfare state provides for the mother and first child, any other children are either not eligible or the mother loses the accommodation and the benefits.
A similar system would help here as many,not all, of these girls continue to produce children by different fathers, the solution is easy, after the first you lose the lot, house, benefits etc and become the responsibility of the mothers parents. Our culture acceptance since the early 1950's simply has not worked. Time for radical reform to stop the epidemic.
Surely the questions being asked should not be about council houses but as to why the girls got themselves pregnant in the first place. Some teens I am sure do it as a deliberate act as they want to getaway from their parents, for reasons various. However sex education has questions to answer and why we have a higher rate in this country than our European neighbours. Perhaps had we not had such a gung-ho attitude to this in the past we wouldn't be facing as many problems in the future, but it seems to be the acceptable British way in parts of our society. When that changes, perhaps this lamentable situation will improve. I strongly believe that it all starts in the family home and the morality there that is taught to the younger members and the examples set by parents. If gaining housing was made more difficult and the onus was thrown back to the family home to provide then I am sure things would improve. Also making the fathers of these children accountable would help, and if necessary deductions to any benefits being claimed by the fathers being passed on to the mothers for child care. In France I believe the welfare state provides for the mother and first child, any other children are either not eligible or the mother loses the accommodation and the benefits. A similar system would help here as many,not all, of these girls continue to produce children by different fathers, the solution is easy, after the first you lose the lot, house, benefits etc and become the responsibility of the mothers parents. Our culture acceptance since the early 1950's simply has not worked. Time for radical reform to stop the epidemic. the wizard
  • Score: 2

12:47pm Thu 19 Jul 12

simplicissimus says...

Jenny Hannaby's entirely right, and Susanna's out of touch, on this. Central government must tackle baby booming, and start to reduce benefit after the 1st child. After the 2nd, any further child benefit should end.
Jenny Hannaby's entirely right, and Susanna's out of touch, on this. Central government must tackle baby booming, and start to reduce benefit after the 1st child. After the 2nd, any further child benefit should end. simplicissimus
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Thu 19 Jul 12

the wizard says...

simplicissimus wrote:
Jenny Hannaby's entirely right, and Susanna's out of touch, on this. Central government must tackle baby booming, and start to reduce benefit after the 1st child. After the 2nd, any further child benefit should end.
I can see your point and it is valid, but the whole culture among teens, sex and just having babies has to change in society. This was something bourne out of the late 50's and early 60's and the rest of society has moved on.

Here we often find a repeating circumstance where the children of some single parents are falling into the same trap as their mothers instead of raising the bar.

Sex education needs to radically change and the irresponsibility of both partners is not excusable in this day and age. If the girl is not on the pill then it is down to her to make sure the guy puts something on the end of it. Plain and simple, it is down to the participants . Why should the rest of society be burdened with the bill of casual sex, when it is down to those having their fling being stupid.
[quote][p][bold]simplicissimus[/bold] wrote: Jenny Hannaby's entirely right, and Susanna's out of touch, on this. Central government must tackle baby booming, and start to reduce benefit after the 1st child. After the 2nd, any further child benefit should end.[/p][/quote]I can see your point and it is valid, but the whole culture among teens, sex and just having babies has to change in society. This was something bourne out of the late 50's and early 60's and the rest of society has moved on. Here we often find a repeating circumstance where the children of some single parents are falling into the same trap as their mothers instead of raising the bar. Sex education needs to radically change and the irresponsibility of both partners is not excusable in this day and age. If the girl is not on the pill then it is down to her to make sure the guy puts something on the end of it. Plain and simple, it is down to the participants . Why should the rest of society be burdened with the bill of casual sex, when it is down to those having their fling being stupid. the wizard
  • Score: 2

5:47pm Fri 20 Jul 12

flynn77 says...

Wasn't it Jenny "Photo Op" Hannaby's beloved Lib Dems that turned St Marys into a sponger Ghetto in the first place?
Wasn't it Jenny "Photo Op" Hannaby's beloved Lib Dems that turned St Marys into a sponger Ghetto in the first place? flynn77
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Fri 20 Jul 12

steve1955 says...

In a perfect world we would all like to live in everone would have a well paid job after a good education and a long list of qualifications under their arms but alas this workd is not perfect there will always be those that do well and those that dont what we dont need is publicity seeking local politicians spouting off they should speak to their leaders and other politicians to action a plan to get everone in the country working and providing for themselfs then and only then can we take what they say seriously and there would be no need for some of the comments placed on here in response to the article we must all face up to the fact that our taxes will pay for a welfare state such as the one we have until we have full employment and a descent home available for everone the young girls who may get pregnant will be entitled to a council property ,as are many others
Lets have a debate about how society can change not a debate full of hate for those less fortunate than others remember the welfare state exists for all if you ever find yourself in need its there
In a perfect world we would all like to live in everone would have a well paid job after a good education and a long list of qualifications under their arms but alas this workd is not perfect there will always be those that do well and those that dont what we dont need is publicity seeking local politicians spouting off they should speak to their leaders and other politicians to action a plan to get everone in the country working and providing for themselfs then and only then can we take what they say seriously and there would be no need for some of the comments placed on here in response to the article we must all face up to the fact that our taxes will pay for a welfare state such as the one we have until we have full employment and a descent home available for everone the young girls who may get pregnant will be entitled to a council property ,as are many others Lets have a debate about how society can change not a debate full of hate for those less fortunate than others remember the welfare state exists for all if you ever find yourself in need its there steve1955
  • Score: 0

12:10pm Sat 21 Jul 12

flynn77 says...

Who is John Galt?

Society can only change by making work rewarding, this can't happen when the tax burden on those that do is crippling because of those that won't.
Who is John Galt? Society can only change by making work rewarding, this can't happen when the tax burden on those that do is crippling because of those that won't. flynn77
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9:06pm Sat 21 Jul 12

simplicissimus says...

Major Rhode-werks writes: "Perhaps the explosion of immigration is the biggest contributor to the shortage of housing".

This is Labour's worst legacy, among many very bad ones. Spot on!
Major Rhode-werks writes: "Perhaps the explosion of immigration is the biggest contributor to the shortage of housing". This is Labour's worst legacy, among many very bad ones. Spot on! simplicissimus
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