London Welsh in talks to buy Kassam Stadium

LONDON Welsh rugby team are in talks about buying Oxford's Kassam Stadium.

Managing director John Taylor said the team saw Oxford as its home and wanted to stay there.

Referring to buying the stadium, he said: "We are certainly exploring the possibility. Conversations have been had with Mr Kassam and we are also looking at ways we can raise the money to do it.

"It's a big investment but in some ways it's a good one because it's bricks and mortar."

But Oxford United supporters club OxVox has said it is not good news and said it would like to explore the idea of joint ownership.

London Welsh moved to Oxford last September after gaining promotion to English rugby’s Premiership.

Since moving to the Kassam Stadium the Exiles have attracted both support - with their highest attendance of more than 10,000 at last week’s game against London Wasps - as well as criticism because of claims their tenancy is having an affecting the quality of the pitch and frequent traffic problems before matches.

The 12,500 capacity Kassam Stadium was opened in 2001 and allowed Oxford United to move from the Manor Ground in Headington.

But it is still owned - and named after - the U’s former owner Firoz Kassam who has been leasing it to the club he sold in 2006.

Since then there have been frequent attempts by Oxford United to purchase the stadium from Mr Kassam but negotiations have not yet got under way.

 

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8:52am Fri 4 Jan 13

H.J.Harris says...

Money talks, we will have to see who has the loudest voice.
Money talks, we will have to see who has the loudest voice. H.J.Harris

9:06am Fri 4 Jan 13

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

But Oxford United supporters club OxVox has said it is not good news and said it would like to explore the idea of joint ownership.


Surely any owner other than Kassam would be better for everyone, there is always comments on here from OUFC fans saying the man is the 'devil'.
But Oxford United supporters club OxVox has said it is not good news and said it would like to explore the idea of joint ownership. Surely any owner other than Kassam would be better for everyone, there is always comments on here from OUFC fans saying the man is the 'devil'. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe

9:17am Fri 4 Jan 13

Bartsimpson_uk says...

Whats the matter with OxVox?? They are always on here moaning and groaning about Kassam, and yet when someone better comes in they still moan. Is it because they fear the rugby club will become more popular than Oxford Utd??
Whats the matter with OxVox?? They are always on here moaning and groaning about Kassam, and yet when someone better comes in they still moan. Is it because they fear the rugby club will become more popular than Oxford Utd?? Bartsimpson_uk

9:19am Fri 4 Jan 13

Mark Sennett says...

Speaking for OxVox I can say we are talking to oufc and London welsh about this subject.

We will not stand by quietly and let anyone other than oufc take over full ownership of the stadium.

Owning the ground is a key aim to aid oufc progress and be sustainable at the highest level. We aim to try and aim to help oufc achieve this. BUT we are also talking to London welsh and we want a good relationship with them and it would be foolish not to explore the option of a joint venture. To London Welsh's credit we've already had some good conversations.
Speaking for OxVox I can say we are talking to oufc and London welsh about this subject. We will not stand by quietly and let anyone other than oufc take over full ownership of the stadium. Owning the ground is a key aim to aid oufc progress and be sustainable at the highest level. We aim to try and aim to help oufc achieve this. BUT we are also talking to London welsh and we want a good relationship with them and it would be foolish not to explore the option of a joint venture. To London Welsh's credit we've already had some good conversations. Mark Sennett

9:30am Fri 4 Jan 13

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

Mark Sennett wrote:
Speaking for OxVox I can say we are talking to oufc and London welsh about this subject.

We will not stand by quietly and let anyone other than oufc take over full ownership of the stadium.

Owning the ground is a key aim to aid oufc progress and be sustainable at the highest level. We aim to try and aim to help oufc achieve this. BUT we are also talking to London welsh and we want a good relationship with them and it would be foolish not to explore the option of a joint venture. To London Welsh's credit we've already had some good conversations.
It's not really up to OxVox who Kassam sells the club too is it.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Sennett[/bold] wrote: Speaking for OxVox I can say we are talking to oufc and London welsh about this subject. We will not stand by quietly and let anyone other than oufc take over full ownership of the stadium. Owning the ground is a key aim to aid oufc progress and be sustainable at the highest level. We aim to try and aim to help oufc achieve this. BUT we are also talking to London welsh and we want a good relationship with them and it would be foolish not to explore the option of a joint venture. To London Welsh's credit we've already had some good conversations.[/p][/quote]It's not really up to OxVox who Kassam sells the club too is it. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe

9:58am Fri 4 Jan 13

Kidlington Dave says...

London Welsh owning the ground might seem, on the face of it, to be preferable to K*ss*m, but it would lead to potentially serious problems in the future - Utd games re-arranged to fit in with rugby matches, for starters.

Ask Stockport fans how they enjoy being tenants to a rugby club.
London Welsh owning the ground might seem, on the face of it, to be preferable to K*ss*m, but it would lead to potentially serious problems in the future - Utd games re-arranged to fit in with rugby matches, for starters. Ask Stockport fans how they enjoy being tenants to a rugby club. Kidlington Dave

10:04am Fri 4 Jan 13

AylesburyOx says...

If they have the money for it (which I doubt) and if they can deal with Kassam (which I very much doubt) then let them have it.
This is all just pie in the sky designed to unsettle OUFC and make the management stop complaining about the state of the playing surface, as LW can then say 'It would be impractical to share with a club unwilling to accept the circumstances of sharing with a Rugby club' or some such rubbish.

That being said, I still worry that buying the coffin a man built that nearly buried us is in the clubs long term best interest. I would rather we spent the money on some coaching and an improved scouting and youth set up.
If they have the money for it (which I doubt) and if they can deal with Kassam (which I very much doubt) then let them have it. This is all just pie in the sky designed to unsettle OUFC and make the management stop complaining about the state of the playing surface, as LW can then say 'It would be impractical to share with a club unwilling to accept the circumstances of sharing with a Rugby club' or some such rubbish. That being said, I still worry that buying the coffin a man built that nearly buried us is in the clubs long term best interest. I would rather we spent the money on some coaching and an improved scouting and youth set up. AylesburyOx

10:11am Fri 4 Jan 13

saddletramp says...

Kidlington Dave says...

London Welsh owning the ground might seem, on the face of it, to be preferable to K*ss*m, but it would lead to potentially serious problems in the future - Utd games re-arranged to fit in with rugby matches, for starters.

Ask Stockport fans how they enjoy being tenants to a rugby club.
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Which rugby team would that be?
I hope you dont mean Sale,as not only have they never owned Edgely park,they dont even paly their anymore,they play at Salford.
Kidlington Dave says... London Welsh owning the ground might seem, on the face of it, to be preferable to K*ss*m, but it would lead to potentially serious problems in the future - Utd games re-arranged to fit in with rugby matches, for starters. Ask Stockport fans how they enjoy being tenants to a rugby club. ???????????????????? ????? Which rugby team would that be? I hope you dont mean Sale,as not only have they never owned Edgely park,they dont even paly their anymore,they play at Salford. saddletramp

11:14am Fri 4 Jan 13

Dan - Eynsham says...

I am a Stockport County fan. I was part of the team of fans who bought the club back from the owner of Sale Sharks.

First of all, Saddletramp, you are wrong. The Rugby club still owns Edgeley Park, even though they have moved to the banks of the Ship Canal. It has been a nightmare for Stockport County.

Secondly, if I were an Oxford United fan, I would be extremely worried by another sporting club owning the ground. It has a huge effect on the income you get from the ground, on how the pitch is looked after, on how much the place feels like home.

A much better option is to replicate what happens in Swansea, where the Liberty stadium is owned by a company part owned by the Ospreys, part by Swansea City, and part by Swansea City Council.
I am a Stockport County fan. I was part of the team of fans who bought the club back from the owner of Sale Sharks. First of all, Saddletramp, you are wrong. The Rugby club still owns Edgeley Park, even though they have moved to the banks of the Ship Canal. It has been a nightmare for Stockport County. Secondly, if I were an Oxford United fan, I would be extremely worried by another sporting club owning the ground. It has a huge effect on the income you get from the ground, on how the pitch is looked after, on how much the place feels like home. A much better option is to replicate what happens in Swansea, where the Liberty stadium is owned by a company part owned by the Ospreys, part by Swansea City, and part by Swansea City Council. Dan - Eynsham

11:23am Fri 4 Jan 13

Andrew:Oxford says...

Surely this is exactly what Oxford United need to give them the impetus to building a new stadium elsewhere in the City!

Fans have been complaining about the owner and the stadium for years and, since London Welsh commenced their lease, the quality of the pitch.

Time to move, develop a new partnership, perhaps even return closer to home at Headington?

A new Stadium adjacent to New Barton, off Marsh Lane, would be quite suitable. Perhaps as a Public-Private Partnership? A new Stadium, Morrisons Supermarket and 3000 space multi-storey combined Park & Ride & Supermarket & Stadium car park?

The car park would serve the congested JR & Churchill sites via the new bus gate across the A40 and through the Northway Council Estate.

At £3 per day, the car park alone would bring in around £2.8M a year revenue to the partnership.
Surely this is exactly what Oxford United need to give them the impetus to building a new stadium elsewhere in the City! Fans have been complaining about the owner and the stadium for years and, since London Welsh commenced their lease, the quality of the pitch. Time to move, develop a new partnership, perhaps even return closer to home at Headington? A new Stadium adjacent to New Barton, off Marsh Lane, would be quite suitable. Perhaps as a Public-Private Partnership? A new Stadium, Morrisons Supermarket and 3000 space multi-storey combined Park & Ride & Supermarket & Stadium car park? The car park would serve the congested JR & Churchill sites via the new bus gate across the A40 and through the Northway Council Estate. At £3 per day, the car park alone would bring in around £2.8M a year revenue to the partnership. Andrew:Oxford

11:25am Fri 4 Jan 13

Beau champ mummy says...

This is why rosenthal jumped ship as said before lenagan not interested in us he is a rugby fan and this was what he wanted from day one
This is why rosenthal jumped ship as said before lenagan not interested in us he is a rugby fan and this was what he wanted from day one Beau champ mummy

11:27am Fri 4 Jan 13

Marina Morris says...

Looks like a bidding war now then - brilliant for Kassam!
Looks like a bidding war now then - brilliant for Kassam! Marina Morris

11:31am Fri 4 Jan 13

Bartsimpson_uk says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Surely this is exactly what Oxford United need to give them the impetus to building a new stadium elsewhere in the City! Fans have been complaining about the owner and the stadium for years and, since London Welsh commenced their lease, the quality of the pitch. Time to move, develop a new partnership, perhaps even return closer to home at Headington? A new Stadium adjacent to New Barton, off Marsh Lane, would be quite suitable. Perhaps as a Public-Private Partnership? A new Stadium, Morrisons Supermarket and 3000 space multi-storey combined Park & Ride & Supermarket & Stadium car park? The car park would serve the congested JR & Churchill sites via the new bus gate across the A40 and through the Northway Council Estate. At £3 per day, the car park alone would bring in around £2.8M a year revenue to the partnership.
Not a cat in hells chance of moving. Marston was suggested long before Kassam was built and it was objected by all the NIMBY's there. Back in Headington!! Talk some sense will you.
Oxford Utd will stay where they are and will have to talk to London Irish not push them away.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Surely this is exactly what Oxford United need to give them the impetus to building a new stadium elsewhere in the City! Fans have been complaining about the owner and the stadium for years and, since London Welsh commenced their lease, the quality of the pitch. Time to move, develop a new partnership, perhaps even return closer to home at Headington? A new Stadium adjacent to New Barton, off Marsh Lane, would be quite suitable. Perhaps as a Public-Private Partnership? A new Stadium, Morrisons Supermarket and 3000 space multi-storey combined Park & Ride & Supermarket & Stadium car park? The car park would serve the congested JR & Churchill sites via the new bus gate across the A40 and through the Northway Council Estate. At £3 per day, the car park alone would bring in around £2.8M a year revenue to the partnership.[/p][/quote]Not a cat in hells chance of moving. Marston was suggested long before Kassam was built and it was objected by all the NIMBY's there. Back in Headington!! Talk some sense will you. Oxford Utd will stay where they are and will have to talk to London Irish not push them away. Bartsimpson_uk

12:22pm Fri 4 Jan 13

King Joke says...

Will London Welsh be obliged to write a proper travel plan for the stadium when they own it?

OUFC games are not a problem as many of the home fans walk or get the bus to the KAssam.

Rugby games are a disaster as both home and away fans are coming from outside the city. At the very least, shuttle buses need to be run from Oxford station and THornhill . Maybe Didcot Parkway could be tried as well, as journey time is not much longer from here than from Oxford station.
Will London Welsh be obliged to write a proper travel plan for the stadium when they own it? OUFC games are not a problem as many of the home fans walk or get the bus to the KAssam. Rugby games are a disaster as both home and away fans are coming from outside the city. At the very least, shuttle buses need to be run from Oxford station and THornhill [for car drivers and coach passengers]. Maybe Didcot Parkway could be tried as well, as journey time is not much longer from here than from Oxford station. King Joke

12:25pm Fri 4 Jan 13

EricTheRed says...

Good on the Irish! its about time OUFC grew up and accepted its not their god given right to own the stadium Kassam built out of his own pocket. If you want it pay market value for it. You wont get it for peanuts cause its not worth peanuts.
Good on the Irish! its about time OUFC grew up and accepted its not their god given right to own the stadium Kassam built out of his own pocket. If you want it pay market value for it. You wont get it for peanuts cause its not worth peanuts. EricTheRed

12:27pm Fri 4 Jan 13

King Joke says...

Am I missing something? What have London Irish got to do with it?
Am I missing something? What have London Irish got to do with it? King Joke

1:00pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Andrew:Oxford says...

King Joke wrote:
Will London Welsh be obliged to write a proper travel plan for the stadium when they own it?

OUFC games are not a problem as many of the home fans walk or get the bus to the KAssam.

Rugby games are a disaster as both home and away fans are coming from outside the city. At the very least, shuttle buses need to be run from Oxford station and THornhill . Maybe Didcot Parkway could be tried as well, as journey time is not much longer from here than from Oxford station.
The people of Long Wittenham would campaign to stop match-day buses "ruining their lives".
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Will London Welsh be obliged to write a proper travel plan for the stadium when they own it? OUFC games are not a problem as many of the home fans walk or get the bus to the KAssam. Rugby games are a disaster as both home and away fans are coming from outside the city. At the very least, shuttle buses need to be run from Oxford station and THornhill [for car drivers and coach passengers]. Maybe Didcot Parkway could be tried as well, as journey time is not much longer from here than from Oxford station.[/p][/quote]The people of Long Wittenham would campaign to stop match-day buses "ruining their lives". Andrew:Oxford

1:02pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Kidlington Dave says...

saddletramp wrote:
Kidlington Dave says...

London Welsh owning the ground might seem, on the face of it, to be preferable to K*ss*m, but it would lead to potentially serious problems in the future - Utd games re-arranged to fit in with rugby matches, for starters.

Ask Stockport fans how they enjoy being tenants to a rugby club.
????????????????????

?????
Which rugby team would that be?
I hope you dont mean Sale,as not only have they never owned Edgely park,they dont even paly their anymore,they play at Salford.
See Dan from Eynsham's post - don't let facts get in the way of your argument, eh?
[quote][p][bold]saddletramp[/bold] wrote: Kidlington Dave says... London Welsh owning the ground might seem, on the face of it, to be preferable to K*ss*m, but it would lead to potentially serious problems in the future - Utd games re-arranged to fit in with rugby matches, for starters. Ask Stockport fans how they enjoy being tenants to a rugby club. ???????????????????? ????? Which rugby team would that be? I hope you dont mean Sale,as not only have they never owned Edgely park,they dont even paly their anymore,they play at Salford.[/p][/quote]See Dan from Eynsham's post - don't let facts get in the way of your argument, eh? Kidlington Dave

1:10pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Andrew:Oxford says...

Bartsimpson_uk wrote:
Andrew:Oxford wrote:
Surely this is exactly what Oxford United need to give them the impetus to building a new stadium elsewhere in the City! Fans have been complaining about the owner and the stadium for years and, since London Welsh commenced their lease, the quality of the pitch. Time to move, develop a new partnership, perhaps even return closer to home at Headington? A new Stadium adjacent to New Barton, off Marsh Lane, would be quite suitable. Perhaps as a Public-Private Partnership? A new Stadium, Morrisons Supermarket and 3000 space multi-storey combined Park & Ride & Supermarket & Stadium car park? The car park would serve the congested JR & Churchill sites via the new bus gate across the A40 and through the Northway Council Estate. At £3 per day, the car park alone would bring in around £2.8M a year revenue to the partnership.
Not a cat in hells chance of moving. Marston was suggested long before Kassam was built and it was objected by all the NIMBY's there. Back in Headington!! Talk some sense will you.
Oxford Utd will stay where they are and will have to talk to London Irish not push them away.
Things have changed in the 17 years or so since building work commenced on the soon to be "London Welsh" stadium.

There is soon to be a massive new Housing estate adjacent to Marston, so a new Football stadium won't make a significant difference, besides, the people of Marston regularly complain about congestion around the local roads. A new 3000 space P&R facility will take an appropriate number of cars off their roads.
[quote][p][bold]Bartsimpson_uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: Surely this is exactly what Oxford United need to give them the impetus to building a new stadium elsewhere in the City! Fans have been complaining about the owner and the stadium for years and, since London Welsh commenced their lease, the quality of the pitch. Time to move, develop a new partnership, perhaps even return closer to home at Headington? A new Stadium adjacent to New Barton, off Marsh Lane, would be quite suitable. Perhaps as a Public-Private Partnership? A new Stadium, Morrisons Supermarket and 3000 space multi-storey combined Park & Ride & Supermarket & Stadium car park? The car park would serve the congested JR & Churchill sites via the new bus gate across the A40 and through the Northway Council Estate. At £3 per day, the car park alone would bring in around £2.8M a year revenue to the partnership.[/p][/quote]Not a cat in hells chance of moving. Marston was suggested long before Kassam was built and it was objected by all the NIMBY's there. Back in Headington!! Talk some sense will you. Oxford Utd will stay where they are and will have to talk to London Irish not push them away.[/p][/quote]Things have changed in the 17 years or so since building work commenced on the soon to be "London Welsh" stadium. There is soon to be a massive new Housing estate adjacent to Marston, so a new Football stadium won't make a significant difference, besides, the people of Marston regularly complain about congestion around the local roads. A new 3000 space P&R facility will take an appropriate number of cars off their roads. Andrew:Oxford

1:10pm Fri 4 Jan 13

King Joke says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
King Joke wrote: Will London Welsh be obliged to write a proper travel plan for the stadium when they own it? OUFC games are not a problem as many of the home fans walk or get the bus to the KAssam. Rugby games are a disaster as both home and away fans are coming from outside the city. At the very least, shuttle buses need to be run from Oxford station and THornhill . Maybe Didcot Parkway could be tried as well, as journey time is not much longer from here than from Oxford station.
The people of Long Wittenham would campaign to stop match-day buses "ruining their lives".
Too true!
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Will London Welsh be obliged to write a proper travel plan for the stadium when they own it? OUFC games are not a problem as many of the home fans walk or get the bus to the KAssam. Rugby games are a disaster as both home and away fans are coming from outside the city. At the very least, shuttle buses need to be run from Oxford station and THornhill [for car drivers and coach passengers]. Maybe Didcot Parkway could be tried as well, as journey time is not much longer from here than from Oxford station.[/p][/quote]The people of Long Wittenham would campaign to stop match-day buses "ruining their lives".[/p][/quote]Too true! King Joke

1:32pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Doctor69 says...

Apprently the stadium isnt for sale....Kassam makes far to much money on the 2 rental agreements that are in place.

If London Welsh could buy the stadium, it would be a clever move on their part. I suspect it would be a down payment, and mortgage job. With the mortgage payments being covered by oufc's rent each month.
Apprently the stadium isnt for sale....Kassam makes far to much money on the 2 rental agreements that are in place. If London Welsh could buy the stadium, it would be a clever move on their part. I suspect it would be a down payment, and mortgage job. With the mortgage payments being covered by oufc's rent each month. Doctor69

3:56pm Fri 4 Jan 13

EricTheRed says...

Anyways OUFC im sure u could share with Didcot town
Anyways OUFC im sure u could share with Didcot town EricTheRed

10:34pm Fri 4 Jan 13

mikek says...

Won't need much of a ground when you are in the conference, but at the least the rugby club are getting decent size crowds unlike the Poxy football club this could be the end of the Pox. So you could not afford our Coxy then, tin pot club with little money as you give most of it to Kassam ha ha ha. Move over and let the rugby club put bums on seats.
Won't need much of a ground when you are in the conference, but at the least the rugby club are getting decent size crowds unlike the Poxy football club this could be the end of the Pox. So you could not afford our Coxy then, tin pot club with little money as you give most of it to Kassam ha ha ha. Move over and let the rugby club put bums on seats. mikek

12:01pm Tue 8 Jan 13

mattyproper77 says...

a. OUFC should dump the Kass and play at Quarry Rec.

b. Swindon fans - you have to actually live in Swindon - the irony in discussing 'tin pot' is immense - you are a town full of smackheads
a. OUFC should dump the Kass and play at Quarry Rec. b. Swindon fans - you have to actually live in Swindon - the irony in discussing 'tin pot' is immense - you are a town full of smackheads mattyproper77

8:44pm Tue 8 Jan 13

the wizard says...

mattyproper77 wrote:
a. OUFC should dump the Kass and play at Quarry Rec.

b. Swindon fans - you have to actually live in Swindon - the irony in discussing 'tin pot' is immense - you are a town full of smackheads
And Oxford being full of students and their "experiments" isn't ? Grow up, or is it you that is the "smack head", you do little justice to the huge number of ordinary sensible fans that support both clubs, idiot.
[quote][p][bold]mattyproper77[/bold] wrote: a. OUFC should dump the Kass and play at Quarry Rec. b. Swindon fans - you have to actually live in Swindon - the irony in discussing 'tin pot' is immense - you are a town full of smackheads[/p][/quote]And Oxford being full of students and their "experiments" isn't ? Grow up, or is it you that is the "smack head", you do little justice to the huge number of ordinary sensible fans that support both clubs, idiot. the wizard

12:07am Wed 9 Jan 13

the wizard says...

Andrew,

The people of Long Wittenham would campaign to stop match-day buses "ruining their lives".


Oh do behave, I lived there for years and got out while the going was good. First you would have to find someone with a pulse, then someone with a pulse and who gives a hoot, and you will have a long search.
Andrew, The people of Long Wittenham would campaign to stop match-day buses "ruining their lives". Oh do behave, I lived there for years and got out while the going was good. First you would have to find someone with a pulse, then someone with a pulse and who gives a hoot, and you will have a long search. the wizard

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