Police Commissioner Election: Conservative Anthony Stansfeld wins (From Bicester Advertiser)
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Police Commissioner Election: Conservative Anthony Stansfeld wins
3:51pm Friday 16th November 2012 in News
Anthony Stansfeld
CONSERVATIVE Anthony Stansfeld has won the election to be the Thames Valley's first Police and Crime Commissioner.
Mr Stansfeld is about to be declared as winning more votes overall than Labour's Tim Starkey once the second preference votes of the other defeated candidates had been counted.
The results are just being announced but the Tory candidate has won 13 out of 16 districts in the counting of second preference votes.
Voting for the position - which will oversee the running of the Thames Valley force - had to go to the second round of counting after Mr Stansfeld could not secure an overall majority based on first preference results.
The election has been run under the two preference system, where voters nominate a first and second choice as Commissioner.
The first preference votes are counted and if no candidate wins an overall majority, the second preference votes are then counted.
Mr Stansfeld had won the majority of districts in the Thames Valley, including five of Oxfordshire's six areas.
Second place was taken by Mr Starkey. Mr Starkey won the Oxford district.
There was a low voter turn-out as forecast. Only 13.3 per cent of people eligible to vote did so across the Thames Valley, while in Oxford that number fell to 10.9 per cent.
Comments(51)
Sophia
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4:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Sophia
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4:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
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5:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Myron Blatz
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5:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
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6:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Another 'jobs the boys' appointment and I bet he is itching to get his nose in the expenses trough.
Paul of Banbury
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6:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12
If Parliament want to know why so few voted, we ask: "Who are these people we could have voted for?"
It's a pity political individuals were standing. In my opinion an independent commisioner should not be involved with politics.
Feelingsmatter
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6:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12
davidrnewman
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6:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cherwell
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8:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Wow, the City's favourite would have had the approval of 5.580 people in a city of some 150, 000 people, IF HE HAD WON. "Tory Stansfield", however, gives us a police force definitely backed by only 1,719 citizens, less than 1.2% .
That isn't a good way to organise things, is it ? The police force of communist East Germany probably had a bigger popular backing than that.
jencat
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8:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12
It's still one elector one vote, not one district one vote.
Cherwell
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9:23pm Fri 16 Nov 12
What was the point of telling us that a candidate had "won a district" if that was not going to win him the vote of the district in the final decision-making process ? In what sense did Starkey take Oxford ?
Is it just careless reporting, or did the reporter even not understand the process, or do we still not understand the process ? What a shambles the whole thing has been !
iklhik
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9:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cherwell
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9:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12
This farce must not be repeated in future years.
the wizard
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10:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12
BTW, the Beetroot is so vain it wears a wig, take a close look at the picture. Taxi for the Ambre Solaire, it didn't work properly, perhaps he should have read the instructions first.
Bon Rurgundy
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10:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cherwell
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10:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12
But anyway, we end up with a police commissioner who (according to a Conservative website) was managing director of a company “which had aircraft in over 100 countries” (it does NOT say he was an arms dealer), has seen active service in Borneo and Northern Ireland, and is interested in reducing anti-social behaviour, but is fully backed by less than 2% of the citizens of Oxford. The anti-social had better watch out.
samsquirrel
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1:58am Sat 17 Nov 12
This took a significant amount of my own time to research & I can fully understand why people did not vote as they were not able to know who they were voting for.
Obviously I did not vote for our newly elected commissioner as I fail to see how specialiising on war and terrorism is going to help support or reform our local policing - especially when even the Tory supporting individuals I spoke to told me the could not in any good conscience vote for their candidate.
That being said I hope our new comimssioner proves me wrong and improves policing in our area, if not the 89% who failed to register a vote are sadly going regret their lack of action.
Myron Blatz
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2:02am Sat 17 Nov 12
Headington_angel
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2:12am Sat 17 Nov 12
Severian
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2:32am Sat 17 Nov 12
They were an opportunity for failed has been politicians to get another bite at the cherry, allowing them to earn in excess of £85,000 a year for doing a part-time job with no-one to oversee what they are doing.
The ultimate in a cushy semi-retirement.
(Although on second thoughts maybe most people DID know what they were for, which is why the vast majority didn't bother to vote).
Lord Palmerstone
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8:39am Sat 17 Nov 12
the wizard wrote:We already have. The police are obsessed with "domestic violence" and brothel keeping which are both "Feminist" political imperatives. Real people are actually frightened of stranger crime and that's what matters but hey you can have a crime number for your burglary. Why should we bother to investigate it when we've got much more fun doing "human trafficking"?
So, yet another tier of politics, just when we all thought Law and Order was a neutral , unpolitical thing which was Law and Order. Now it seems we will soon have an American style situation with Police Chiefs being manipulated by Politicians instead of getting on with the proper priorities of their work.
BTW, the Beetroot is so vain it wears a wig, take a close look at the picture. Taxi for the Ambre Solaire, it didn't work properly, perhaps he should have read the instructions first.
Dreaming Spires
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11:24am Sat 17 Nov 12
This new system promises to be a lot better than the old one, which was opaque and unaccountable, so give it a chance. And the personal insults directed towards Mr Stansfeld in these comments are quite disgraceful. His record shows he is an exceptional individual and deserving of our respect. At 66 he is just the right age for a job that requires experience and leadership. Good luck to him.
Cherwell
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1:03pm Sat 17 Nov 12
John Batey
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2:00pm Sat 17 Nov 12
Watch your back
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9:56pm Sat 17 Nov 12
DoctorBob
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8:46pm Sun 18 Nov 12
Lord Palmerstone wrote:Your post reveals a lot about you as a person.
the wizard wrote:We already have. The police are obsessed with "domestic violence" and brothel keeping which are both "Feminist" political imperatives. Real people are actually frightened of stranger crime and that's what matters but hey you can have a crime number for your burglary. Why should we bother to investigate it when we've got much more fun doing "human trafficking"?
So, yet another tier of politics, just when we all thought Law and Order was a neutral , unpolitical thing which was Law and Order. Now it seems we will soon have an American style situation with Police Chiefs being manipulated by Politicians instead of getting on with the proper priorities of their work.
BTW, the Beetroot is so vain it wears a wig, take a close look at the picture. Taxi for the Ambre Solaire, it didn't work properly, perhaps he should have read the instructions first.
Domestic Violence and Human Trafficking is way up my list of concerns compared to 'stranger crime'.
Cherwell
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2:01am Mon 19 Nov 12
I suppose when one Irish Traveller stabbed another in Iffley Road recently, this this would be a kind of "domestic violence", but most people would have more sympathy with the "stranger crime" victim when an Irish Traveller punched the barman.
Would you be opposed to illegal immigrants paying traffickers to get them into the country where they want to live ? Why ?
Cherwell
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2:04am Mon 19 Nov 12
Cherwell
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2:06am Mon 19 Nov 12
locodogz
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10:47am Mon 19 Nov 12
Lord Palmerstone
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6:40pm Mon 19 Nov 12
DoctorBob wrote:Cherwell has probably got it spot on Doc Bob . You are Captain James T Kirk of the Starship Enterprise with a Masters in Media Studies and Afraid of No Man. Please God you never grow old-or turn into a normal person for that matter, because you are very funny.
Lord Palmerstone wrote:Your post reveals a lot about you as a person.
the wizard wrote:We already have. The police are obsessed with "domestic violence" and brothel keeping which are both "Feminist" political imperatives. Real people are actually frightened of stranger crime and that's what matters but hey you can have a crime number for your burglary. Why should we bother to investigate it when we've got much more fun doing "human trafficking"?
So, yet another tier of politics, just when we all thought Law and Order was a neutral , unpolitical thing which was Law and Order. Now it seems we will soon have an American style situation with Police Chiefs being manipulated by Politicians instead of getting on with the proper priorities of their work.
BTW, the Beetroot is so vain it wears a wig, take a close look at the picture. Taxi for the Ambre Solaire, it didn't work properly, perhaps he should have read the instructions first.
Domestic Violence and Human Trafficking is way up my list of concerns compared to 'stranger crime'.
Cherwell
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6:56pm Mon 19 Nov 12
It doesn't seem quite fair, somehow .....
Lord Palmerstone
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8:36pm Mon 19 Nov 12
Severian
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12:51am Tue 20 Nov 12
Maybe they should have just cancelled one edition of the Link and sent us a set of candidates' leaflets?
Severian
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12:51am Tue 20 Nov 12
Maybe they should have just cancelled one edition of the Link and sent us a set of candidates' leaflets?
Cherwell
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2:39pm Tue 20 Nov 12
Changing the subject, since we were deemed to be so short of money that local libraries and other important services were threatened, large sums of money have been spent on all kinds of fripperies. "A different budget" is usually the official answer
Pavinder Msvarensy
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3:07pm Tue 20 Nov 12
Dilligaf2010
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7:54pm Wed 21 Nov 12
The money would've been better spent on more bobbies on the street, saving the coastguards, the NHS, Remploy etc., but that would actually benefit the tax payer, so of course it is never likely to happen whilst the current bunch of idiots are running this country.
DoctorBob
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10:14am Thu 22 Nov 12
It seems the most vociferous on these pages are those that don't understand the way the world around them works. Cherwell is one such poster who gets confused about definitions, doesn't understand the application of the law, doesn't understand the difference between ethnicity and race, doesn't understand scales, thinks this electoral system was based on districts (yet still felt, after it was pointed out to him/her, the need to comment on it) and now thinks the state funds political parties.
DoctorBob
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10:20am Thu 22 Nov 12
Cherwell wrote:I see you have are now presenting your silly name calling, in a vain attempt to make you look better, as fact.
As a tough and intelligent unemployed young Arts graduate, you obviously aren't afraid that stranger crime is going to affect you very much, but quite a lot of people are. No, I don't know how many people, I have not conducted a scientific opinion poll, but I don't suppose you have either.
I suppose when one Irish Traveller stabbed another in Iffley Road recently, this this would be a kind of "domestic violence", but most people would have more sympathy with the "stranger crime" victim when an Irish Traveller punched the barman.
Would you be opposed to illegal immigrants paying traffickers to get them into the country where they want to live ? Why ?
You see cherwell, I can be called unemployed, an Arts graduate, lacking higher education, a Troll, mentally ill, a teenager, a young child or whatever other nonsense people feel the need to claim but even if I was all these things and more, those people's arguments still stay static. Their arguments do not suddenly improve because they have attempted to negatively label their detractors.
The reality of course is that it says more about the name callers own sense of self and their confidence in their own argument.
I also see that you have added domestic violence to the list of simple concepts you have dramatically failed to grasp.
Dilligaf2010
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12:07pm Thu 22 Nov 12
DoctorBob wrote:Erm, has it escaped your notice that the Government is made up of political parties, that's why it's called the Government.
Er, people, hate to spoil the party but the government does not fund individual political parties for their their election campaigns.
It seems the most vociferous on these pages are those that don't understand the way the world around them works. Cherwell is one such poster who gets confused about definitions, doesn't understand the application of the law, doesn't understand the difference between ethnicity and race, doesn't understand scales, thinks this electoral system was based on districts (yet still felt, after it was pointed out to him/her, the need to comment on it) and now thinks the state funds political parties.
Cherwell
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12:45pm Thu 22 Nov 12
Cherwell
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12:45pm Thu 22 Nov 12
Cherwell
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12:56pm Thu 22 Nov 12
So this is NOT what Doctor Bob in his jargon calls a "negative label".
I would like to make it clear that I was not responsible for any of the other descriptions of himself which he quotes.
Cherwell
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10:42pm Thu 22 Nov 12
It has now dawned on me where he got this idea from. I still have no idea where “doesn’t understand scales” comes from , though !
I did write “we were eventually told that the government could not afford to distribute the leaflets about this election,”
What DoctorBob does not seem to realise is that on this occasion the Government really were contemplating a mailshot of one leaflet per household , until they realised the cost. It was reported in the press on 14th August that, according to the police minister Nick Herbert it would cost £25m to £30m , so it was decided that the Government should put the information for all candidates on a website instead. Ann Barnes and other independent candidates protested about this at the time.
Nonetheless, people in some areas of Oxfordshire did get some kind of pink leaflet delivered, but I do not have details of exactly what happened. I have heard it said that they were delivered in Didcot and Witney but not in Banbury; and in some parts of north Oxford but generally not in West Oxford or East Oxford.
DoctorBob
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7:01pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Cherwell wrote:My, you've been busy. No wonder you have no time to answer posters who debunk your nonsense but you do manage to find time to make reference to them.
There would be no disgrace in being a "tough and intelligent unemployed young Arts graduate". ! Many people have worked hard for years and done well academically, only to find themselves with no suitable job purely because of the economic situation.
So this is NOT what Doctor Bob in his jargon calls a "negative label".
I would like to make it clear that I was not responsible for any of the other descriptions of himself which he quotes.
Now I'm guessing here, but I doubt very much you would guess me as something you see as a positive label.
What does beg an answer though is why you bother at all trying to guess, or pin, a label on me? Why bother? I don't get it unless you feel emboldened by pretending your opposition is somehow inferior (in your eyes) to you.
Now let's be brutally honest here, when you suggested I might be an unemployed Arts Graduate you weren't really trying to give me kudos were you?
Your childish attempt to disown your own nonsense is risible.
Like I said before though, it doesn't matter what or who I am, your arguments are easily dismantled and whatever negative label you choose to attach to me your argument still remains weak.
DoctorBob
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7:11pm Fri 23 Nov 12
12:45pm Thu 22 Nov 12
I haven't now got time to take on DoctorBob here as well as elsewhere, nor have I even read most of it, but I certainly don' t think the state funds political parties. Sorry if I gave Doctor Bob that impression . (Don't know where or how I might have done so, though !).
This is what gave me that impression.
Severian says...
12:51am Tue 20 Nov 12
Interesting that the government says they can't afford to deliver us a leaflet about these elections, yet Cherwell DC can afford to print and distribute their completely party political rag Cherwell Link, at goodness knows what cost to local taxpayers.
Maybe they should have just cancelled one edition of the Link and sent us a set of candidates' leaflets?
Cherwell says...
2:39pm Tue 20 Nov 12
Severian has made a very good point there. Other districts have similar brightly coloured productions which must be very expensive .
Changing the subject, since we were deemed to be so short of money that local libraries and other important services were threatened, large sums of money have been spent on all kinds of fripperies. "A different budget" is usually the official answer
DoctorBob
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7:13pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Dilligaf2010 wrote:Oh, really, I didn't know that. Thanks for helping me out.
DoctorBob wrote:Erm, has it escaped your notice that the Government is made up of political parties, that's why it's called the Government.
Er, people, hate to spoil the party but the government does not fund individual political parties for their their election campaigns.
It seems the most vociferous on these pages are those that don't understand the way the world around them works. Cherwell is one such poster who gets confused about definitions, doesn't understand the application of the law, doesn't understand the difference between ethnicity and race, doesn't understand scales, thinks this electoral system was based on districts (yet still felt, after it was pointed out to him/her, the need to comment on it) and now thinks the state funds political parties.
You understand the difference between Government and government?
Cherwell
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11:40pm Tue 27 Nov 12
Let us now stop and examine what you have added to this discussion.
You think domestic violence and human trafficking are important, but not stranger crime.
You are very concerned with protecting your own rather vague image, and will not tolerate disagreement on this or on anything else really. You are extremely pedantic in finding fault with exactly what your “opponents” are trying to say, and their supposed intellectual failings.
You appear to see all kinds of motives in the people who disagree with you. I hesitate to suggest it, but I think “paranoid” might just possibly fit you. That is not to say that you are not intelligent and capable.
One point you have completely missed is that people are actively complaining here that they and many others did not completely understand the police election because of the lack of proper publicity. That fact that you, Superman, always did understand it is totally irrelevant, because you are only a tiny, intelligent, exceptionally well-informed fraction of the electorate.
Cherwell
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12:09am Wed 5 Dec 12
But buried away in the middle, it announces “On 15 November 2012, for the first time ever, you can vote to elect a Police and Crime Commissioner”. It explains the job, which includes “Set the force budget and the police precept (council tax)”. Quite important, that. It even explains that qualifying Commonwealth citizens and European Union citizens can vote, and although it says nothing about the candidates, it does give a link to a website where “the line-up… is available”. So now we know.
parpey says...
4:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12